Zooz devices in Leviton Ivory Color?

Are Zooz switches and other visible products available in the Ivory color or have replaceable parts in ivory like some other manufacturers do?

If not, that’s a real bummer as I have a house full of ivory switches and was hoping to be able to outfit my budding smart home with some Zooz products.

“Light almond” is the closest match - available for Z71, 72, 75 and 77. Black is the only alternate color for Z32/35.

They’re available on Zooz’s online storefront.

I think Zooz is (in general) getting away from doing additional colorways - IIRC, they’ve said in the past it’s simply no longer popular enough these days to keep doing much of.

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And new construction is almost always white switches/outlets/plates. Unfortunate for retrofit of an older home, but that’s simply a marketing decision based on business numbers. In one of our former homes, we were remodeling and in the end all were switched out for white…

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In the most recent house we bought I just went through and replaced every switch and outlet with white as well. Many of the outlets were pretty worn out anyways. Buying the contractor packs at the big stores, it wasn’t really that expensive. It took more time than anything.

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But light almond isn’t a match. You’re not going to replace one switch in a dual gang with a mismatched color.

That’s the tail wagging the dog and hugely impractical just to be able to buy from Zooz. I’ll just have to buy my switches elsewhere (Leviton in particular).

Hi @jfriend00, thanks for the question! We do not plan to release any additional color options. The color options currently available (almond, black, and we used to carry brown) account for less than 1% of sales across the board. It simply isn’t feasible to carry the various color options when the demand for them isn’t there. However, if you would like to stay with your current switches, we have behind the switch options like the ZEN51 Dry Contact Relay, ZEN52 Double Relay, or the new ZEN57 XS Relay. These models can all be installed behind your current switches or at the fixture box to make your ivory switches smart.

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OK. Other companies have snap-in replacements for different colors that create additional revenue and lessen the inventory issues of multiple colors.

I’ll keep your relays in mind for other purposes.

Yes, we do as well with our light almond and black paddles and button panels. However, unfortunately it simply isn’t feasible to manufacture the quantities required (minimum 10,000 pieces) with such a small demand. We appreciate the feedback though and will continue to revisit if demand increases!

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That’s unfortunate you won’t be even making ivory paddles so I could partake in your visible switches. I did just order a Zen57 XS relay for a 5-switch long hallway system that a Shelly Wave 1PM Mini couldn’t manage (probably because of line noise on the travelers) so I am becoming a customer, just not for visible objects.

I had the same problem with an old house that has ivory switches and dimmers throughout so I went with the relays behind the original switches and it has worked out really well and the new relays are easily tucked in behind the switches.

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Here’s a wild idea for you. Since Leviton already makes a Color Change kit with a bunch of color paddles (including the Ivory I want), you could make a switch that is compatible with those color change kits and then customers could buy your switches and get the color change kit from Leviton. It probably sounds less-than-ideal on the surface, but it’s a way for you to sell to customers that want more than the limited set of colors you have. It could be a win-win. Since Leviton has a LOT of products that work with their color change kit, they are unlikely to suddenly change that or stop selling it.

That sounds great at first glance but in reality, we would need to change the hardware of all of our models to adapt to a third party company that may change their kit hardware in the future as well (without notifying our production team), demanding another hardware update, etc. Any hardware update incurs tooling and manufacturing costs that will raise the price of the product anywhere between 10-15%. Now that would be worth it if the sales numbers went up with it but what we’ve seen with color paddles to date is that they globally make under 3% of sales for us compared to white paddles. That means that 97% of users would be paying for the ability to use Leviton color paddles even though they never asked for it. This is just to illustrate the discussion with numbers since we get a lot of feature requests and typically take any chance we get to make our products more appealing and user friendly. The cost of hardware updates needs a really good math justification though. We’ll keep watching the demand and once we gain enough confidence backed by numbers, we’ll add more colors for sure!

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yes would be a bad idea to make a product line dependent on a competitors product accessories.

Ivory can be handled with on/off modules like ZEN51/52/57 modules and using off the shelf ivory switches.

I heard Zooz is working on a dimmer module like these others and when that is out you can pair similar ivory switch to control that. That would cover off all the Ivory/dark brown/medium brown/black/… color use cases.

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Just saying. You’re not selling to people who don’t match your limited set of colors. Your loss if you don’t care to find some solution to that.

I offered a way you could benefit from all the largest home switch competitor’s colors. Yes, that has some tradeoffs, but it also has a bunch of benefits. It does nobody any good if you’re all making your own proprietary switch paddles in limited sets of colors.

I guess I will just buy my switches elsewhere. Since it appears you’re not inclined to support my needs, I’ll be leaving now.

Yes, you can put modules behind dumb switches and then you have a mismatched solution where on/off on the switch no longer works the way humans expect it to. That’s not my intention to add automation and make human control harder or dumber. For example, I can deploy a competitor’s Ivory smart switch and regardless of what the automation is doing, I can always tap the top of the switch to turn the light/fan on or tap the bottom of the switch to turn the load off. Just the way it’s always supposed to work. Put a zooz behind a dumb switch and that is no longer the case as the dumb switch gets out of phase with the true on/off state and then you may have to hit the bottom of the switch to turn it on and vice versa. Automation isn’t supposed to make human control worse so I’m not doing my implementations that way. The only way around that is with a proper color smart switch.

Honestly I kind of feel like they already offer more colors than many.

I honestly don’t see many house with the Ivory anymore, which was why I swapped everything in my older house over to white, just so I could have more options on covers and such.

You’ve already pointed out you can get the color you want, so do that?

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This is a pointless discussion. Just let it be, eh? :face_with_diagonal_mouth:
You’ve already heard the reasonable, official position on the matter…

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